In desparate need of a 16mm sync camera!

[Konton]

Damn. What happened to your footage?

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Konton the Grey

[Hanthx]

Hello again

Chas and Justin.
Got both your messages, we may have a camera but were going to rent it (Arri Sr2) from Wooden Nickel for 250.00 bucks.
All the cameras from my school are either rented out or are being repaired...I'll send you an email Justin about the footage and what happened.

Thanks again
Scott

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[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hanthx:
[B]"All the cameras from my school are either rented out or are being repaired..."

This is one of the biggest reasons I decided to skip film school and spend the money on making my own feature.

I think it's a rip-off that they ALL do this.
Imagine the reaction if a computer school signed up 100 students, then said "Oh, gee, we only have 5 computers. You guys will have to find your own, and by the way, the assignment is due tomorrow..."
People would stop going in a second, and they'd be out of business, but because there's so much demand for film schools, they do this all the time, (the big one's like USC and UCLA are apparently the worse at this) then make sure they get people like Spielberg to come in and pose for pictures that they can put in their brochures, even though he didn't go to ANY film school, much less USC or UCLA.
Just Long Beach City College, who hardly even had any film classes at the time.
Total rip-off.

My friend Brian Roe went to USC Summer Film School.
Spent $8,000 for like 2 months of classes, they didn't get to shoot ANY film at all, or use real equipment, only video, and all they had were a few VHS Camcorders, and not even enough of these for the whole class!
He had to find his own camcorder, beg for edit time, etc.
They basically were outfitted like a local small-town video access outfit, which is FREE!
Total joke.
Sorry Scott, this isn't a reflection on you, I'm just venting, because I get angry that these high-priced schools put you guys through this BS.

Matt Pacini

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[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hanthx:
[B]"All the cameras from my school are either rented out or are being repaired..."

This is one of the biggest reasons I decided to skip film school and spend the money on making my own feature.

I think it's a rip-off that they ALL do this.
Imagine the reaction if a computer school signed up 100 students, then said "Oh, gee, we only have 5 computers. You guys will have to find your own, and by the way, the assignment is due tomorrow..."
People would stop going in a second, and they'd be out of business, but because there's so much demand for film schools, they do this all the time, (the big one's like USC and UCLA are apparently the worse at this) then make sure they get people like Spielberg to come in and pose for pictures that they can put in their brochures, even though he didn't go to ANY film school, much less USC or UCLA.
Just Long Beach City College, who hardly even had any film classes at the time.
Total rip-off.

My friend Brian Roe went to USC Summer Film School.
Spent $8,000 for like 2 months of classes, they didn't get to shoot ANY film at all, or use real equipment, only video, and all they had were a few VHS Camcorders, and not even enough of these for the whole class!
He had to find his own camcorder, beg for edit time, etc.
They basically were outfitted like a local small-town video access outfit, which is FREE!
Total joke.
Sorry Scott, this isn't a reflection on you, I'm just venting, because I get angry that these high-priced schools put you guys through this BS.

Matt Pacini

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[chas_ucla]

Fire the guy who loaded the film!

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[Hanthx]

Its understandable about high priced film schools, my opinions vary...I personaly believe its up to the individual to make the difference, not the school.
Fortunately my school is relatively cheap compared to a USC, but I feel we lack some of the experienced teachers.
Unfortunately film is expensive, and as a whole (the group) we've learned our lesson.
How funny that I noticed that AFTER we did the shoot, that the film was loaded wrong...oh my God...how lame, atleast I caught it before we spent the rest of our money on processing.

Thanks for the replies.
Scott

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[Hanthx]

Guys

Im in such panic right now, i NEED some quick help! My school doesn't have anymore 16mm sync cameras to rent out, and we need one for this weekend.
Does anybody have a sync 16mm camera to rent, know anyone????
Any suggestions please call me!
All of our footage was lost!!

Scott

818 558 1347
Help!

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[Matt Pacini]

[QUOTE]"...I personaly believe its up to the individual to make the difference, not the school."


Exactly my point... so why go there then?
I realize your point, but you have to admit, that there's a point where that concept breaks down, a threshold where you would admit that they are being irresponsible, and just exploiting you for money, without giving an even trade in guidance and education.
For instance, what if 4 out of 5 days you showed up to class, the teacher couldn't make it, and the substitutes knew nothing whatsoever about film, like an English teacher subbing, or whatever.
Would you not want a refund?
And if you had used school provided cameras, (if there were enough to go around like there should be), then perhaps you would have been taught by your teacher how to load that camera, & the mistake wouldn't have happened.
But you ended up on your own, which is my point, if you're mostly on your own, to make mistakes, why not be on your own totally, and use that money for a production, instead of the school?
Just my opinion.
The best reason to go to film school, is for connections, in my opinion.

Matt Pacini


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[8th Man]

I'd be interested in how many of my favorite filmmakers went to film school.
I bet a lot did but very few went to USC or UCLA
My understanding is that the most of the highest paid lawers in the U.S. did not go to the top ivy leage universities like Harvard or Stanford etc., they went to smaller universities around the country.
I'm not against film schools as a whole. There is no reason to reinvent the wheel on your own. I'd rather not make all the mistakes that I'd have otherwise made if I'd have started all on my own without some basic knowledge. I will say however I learned 1000% more on the job than I ever would have at school, and I'm glad I had the opportunity to take a good job in the middle of the year and save my parents some big money in the process.
I did however miss out on making a student film though.
I think some people need the process. I still think I might take some sort of filmmaking class even after I complete the one I working on now. I school that doesn't get you the equipment though, that's a crime.

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PRM

[MovieStuff]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 8th Man:

My understanding is that the most of the highest paid lawers in the U.S. did not go to the top ivy leage universities like Harvard or Stanford etc., they went to smaller universities around the country.
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A little O.T. -

Actually, (as I have a passing interest in law) here is an interesting thing: Ever see some old geezer lawyer go,"I've been practicing law for over 60 years!" and the guy is, like, only 80 years old or something? Ever wonder how the guy could become a lawyer at the age of 20, just two years out of high school? Well, back in my dad's day, law school was considered a trade school, like business school or butcher school. If you were a soldier, you could go to Law School on the G.I. Bill after you did your stint in the military, which is why we have so many old farts that became lawyers at age 20.

Later, in the late 60's or early 70's, a law was passed that made going to four years of college mandatory BEFORE law school, thus making it more difficult to become an attorney which, of course, reduced the number of lawyers that had to fight for the same client. Guess who pushed for the legislation back then? You guessed it - Old farts like the guy I mentioned above!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 8th Man:

I will say however I learned 1000% more on the job than I ever would have at school, and I'm glad I had the opportunity to take a good job in the middle of the year and save my parents some big money in the process.
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Well, I have no illusions about my own film making skills (I never went to film school, either) however, I think that making films is a lot like any other art. Imagine someone waiting until they're in college to decide they want to be an artist! It's silly. If you aren't compelled to pick up a pencil and draw at an early age, then there really isn't much that school can do to fill in the blank spaces in your experience. Likewise, if you've never picked up a camera and aren't compelled to shoot and direct and tell stories, film school might teach you the mechanics of film making but you will be sorely missing the most basic and important ingredient a director needs: Passion. A "passing interest" that leads you to change majors to RT&F in college is NOT the basis for a life long career. Granted, some people like Lucas went to film school and did quite well, but he was already making films long before he entered school and, from what I've seen, his early work before school was better than most of his class mates after graduation, so experience is everything.

I agree with Matt. Save you money. Make a movie.

Roger

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Roger Evans
MovieStuff http://www.afterimagephoto.tv/moviestuff.html

[This message has been edited by MovieStuff (edited November 14, 2001).]